I'll second the above two motions as well, because their inverses are also true, very definitely. But as for Lou...

Here is truly where men and womens brains are differently structured. I like the thought of being able to go up to a girl I like, one who I may only have spoken to for a few minutes, and asking for sex as if I were asking her for a light. Men want to spread their seed, while most women want something from a guy before sleeping with him.

But nobody can tell me that Miss Millionairess doesn't have a different gigolo in her bedroom every few weeks, if not more often. No? Bullshit. If I were a fabulously rich young post-settlement heiress, I'd be screwing a different Chippendale every week, because I know I can afford to do so, and if Mr Chip tries anything nasty, my 2 waiting bodyguards will tear him a new one. And if THEY are in cahoots with Chip, my 2nd level of trusty security will, upon sighting the transgression via the hidden ceiling cams, storm the bedchambers and rip all the men already inside to bits.

Most women don't have the resources needed for the above. Neither do most men, and to make matters worse, neither side is doing much to mitigate the situation. But if you ADD the resources necessary, within a not so long period of time people WILL fuck normally. My entire point is that sex is a simple, biological function like eating, drinking or breathing, so why the FUCK do we still attach so much stigma to it?

It'll happen, trust me. The shame of it is I'll probably be an old coot by the time it does, and no doubt I'll cry with overdue joy at the dawn of this beautiful new world, but it WILL happen. Having sex with an attractive stranger in a bar a few minutes of meeting will be no more a big deal than buying him a beer in the same bar. Sex in public will be contentious for a while, but will one day be as acceptable as using toothpicks after eating in a steakhouse.

Gotta say, I'm quite surprised by the comparatively victorian approaches of some of you Pixie ladies. I expected better, but the day WILL come when the 2020/2030's version of 'Sex In The City', as a reflection of (then) current life, features 3 'Samantha' type characters, and only one 'Charlotte' type (although that woman is a scorcher...it must be the glasses that do it for me!!)

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Jaybee.

Dude...you just set men back a hundred years. You're a stray dog trying to hump every poodle that can't outrun you.

I don't wanna spread my seed. I wanna have sex with someone I love.

Whoa, hold the fucking phone.

While I understand your underlying point, although I don't agree with it, I am, in fact, offended by the canine reference. By calling me a 'dog', not only are you insulting me, but you then drag class into this mess by calling me a stray one. And by extension, you're calling my mother a bitch - and buster, I'm just glad you didn't do that to my face.

I'm sure we can be pals at a later point when all concerned have cooled off but for now, I'll only tell you once...back off.


Jaybee.

OMG - I can't believe I'm reading this!

I just love the idea that women are only discerning in their choice of sexual partners because they're worried they're going to come to physical harm if they get involved with 'strange men'. I can certainly tell you this is not the case for me, since the man I'm engaged to marry I met on a sex site on the internet (it's called Pixies, btw) and went up to his home town to meet him. On our first day of meeting, he ended up in my hotel room, having ordered breakfast for two, before I'd even made my mind up whether or not to kiss him! It's really not my personal safety that governs my decisions about men. It's whether I find them attractive, as I've already stated.

And as I've also already stated, whether I find a guy physically attractive or not, has nothing to do with what they look like. I can but my hand on my heart and say that, personally, I have never been in a situation where I've seen an 'attractive stranger' in a bar, and even wanted to approach them for a drink. The reason? Someone isn't attractive to me until I know them. I think physically, Johnny Depp is one of the most good looking men on the planet, but if I bumped into him in a night club, I wouldn't want to have sex with him. This is not about stigma, it's about feeling the need for such physical intimacy with a person. There are some things that you just wouldn't want to do with another person, unless you felt something for them (whether that something is love/ attraction/ whatever). If physical interaction is so casual a thing, would you be willing to stick your finger inside a man's anus? No? Why not? Oh, because you don't fancy men......well, guess what I don't fancy strangers. It's the same thing. It's not about being uptight or 'Victorian' it's about not being wet!!!!

I'm curious to know whether you've ever been in love, or even cared deeply for a woman you've had sex with, because I'm pretty sure your views on this would be different if you had been. Once you've experienced how much better sex is when you have an emotional connection with your partner, the idea that sex is just a biological function is really presposterous.

As for sex in public, as long as children are allowed out of the house, sex in publc is NOT something that's going to become the norm. Or do you think it's healthy for young children to be exposed to sex in this manner (bearing in mind that showing children pornography is considered child abuse in this country because of it's psychologically damaging effect)?

Also, with this 'Brave New World' in which we are promiscuous and children are either kept away from public or else encouraged to be involved in 'sexual play' (OMG, is this sounding like an Aldous Huxley book to anyone else?) what of HIV and AIDS? Are you seriously telling me that people will be happy to have sex indiscriminately, regardless of whether their partners may be infectious? Even WITH condoms? Because I sure as fuck wouldn't take the risk of sleeping with someone if I knew they had HIV - condoms aren't infallible.

To return to the original point, there are women out there who you can just approach for sex, and they'll go fuck you, no questions asked. They completely understand how men 'NEED' sex. That's why they charge men for it. :D

On a final note, Victorian attitudes. I genuinely feel that no-one on this thread has expressed any Victorian attitudes - except one. And that one, is you. Your attitude towards women is the most Victorian thing I've encountered in a long time. If you honestly think that women 'want something from a guy before sleeping with him' and that it's a case of us wanting to have sex but cowering in fear of you big strong men then you really do need to think carefully about why it is that women are not 'giving it up' enough in your opinion. Could it be that this thread is about why women are not 'giving it up for you'? In which case I could hazard a guess that it's not about fear, or prudishness or societal pressures, it's that women like to have sex with men who are respectful of our gender. Who appreciate the differences between men and women, and who realise that we're wonderful just as we are. You can make all the excuses you like about why you aren't getting enough sex from enough women, but perhaps, just perhaps you shouldn't be looking at what's wrong with us women but what's wrong with you.

Lou
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P.S. Interestingly, I had a conversation with a group of friends last night (both male and female) and I was the only person there who thought that 'cunt' was a word you could use to describe the female gentials during sex. I only mention it so that you realise that when extolling the virtues of sex as an expression of love/ attraction, I'm not referring to 'love making' in the traditional, roses, candles and moonlight kind of way.

Finally, I've just seen your reply to WildIrish. It's good to see you have strong feelings for your mother....I wonder how you'd feel if you found out she was well known in her neighbourhood as being a really great fuck. Maybe your friends have all had a go and found she gives the best head around and doesn't mind the odd spot of anal either! If we're going to liberate women sexually, we going to be liberating ALL women, including your mother, grandmother, aunts wife, daughters etc......and it'll be them you're watching in the street when sex in public is de rigeur - won't that be fun?! :D

There's no underlying or covert point...it was an analogy. :rolleyes: A stray dog is allowed to wander as he pleases. A kept dog is not. And do you not understand that women refer to men that are just out for sex without caring, as "dogs" ?

Back off? Relax, we were talking. Gees!

I have avoided this thread and deleted my own post a zillion times...I think that jaybee does not speak for most men, because I feel respected by most men. We expect people here to be respectful to eachother and WI is attempting to stick up for both his own sex and mine. I am and have been personally offended by what I see as your attitude towards women in this thread and others.

While I will not call you names, you should know that you are not the only one who has been offended. You have referred to women as the typing pool etc which is personally disrespectful so I don't find someone comparing your behavior to an animal when you yourself say your feelings about fucking are nature and basically animalistic to be an insult...you basically copped to it yourself. If you want to act that way expect to be called on it.

If you dish it out then you have to be prepared to take it. You are responsible for the attitude and language you use in your posts....if you are generally offensive, people will let you know, and in several threads they have.

Great. You won't call me names. How lucky I am that an authority figure has chosen not to hurl abuse at me. What a great policePERSON you'd make.

Wildirish? You and Lil please go and take a running jump.

Sorry everyone else for the scene, but I've tossed enough pearls before these two dirty swine.

Delete my account.

It seemed pretty obvious to me the analogy WI was making there, Jaybee. Yes, we men do have the animalistic impulse to 'spread our seed', but self-control is what sets us apart from animals such as dogs. Your own words do make it sound like you expect to be able to spread your seed into any female you wish.

To take his analogy to the point that he's calling your mother a bitch though... come on! That is a ludicrous stretch.

Personally, I think this thread is getting just about ugly and I feel it would be best if everyone let it lie, at least for a little while.

You know where the door is and I am sure you can figure out how to use or in this case NOT use it.